2017 FORD EXPLORER Unknown Or Other Problems

I HAVE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE EXHAUST SMELL IN THE VEHICLE FROM THE INITIAL TRIP I TOOK WITH THE VEHICLE. I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE DEALER AND THEY HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER COMPLAINTS BUT FORD HAS NOT RECALLED OR COME UP WITH A FIX FOR THE PROBLEM. I AM AWARE OF OTHER CUSTOMERS USING THE LEMON LAW IN FLORIDA TO REPLACE THEIR VEHICLE. NOW THAT THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN EXPOSED BY THE MEDIA I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. I CAN ALWAYS TAKE THE FLORIDA LEMON LAW APPROACH IF THERE IS NO SOLUTION. THE PROBLEM IS NOT JUST WITH INTERCEPTOR VEHICLES THAT FORD IS NOW ADDRESSING?? MOST IF NOT ALL EXPLORERS FROM 2011 HAVE THE ISSUE. THE PROBLEM IS VERY PREVALENT WHEN THE CAR IS ACCELERATED QUICKLY. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS WITH SOMEONE AND ACTUALLY SHOW THEM THE EFFECT BY...

EXHAUST ODOR SMELL, AS SOON AS CAR SPEEDS UP ABOVE THE 40 MPH, IT STARTS SMELLING EXHAUST IN THE CAR. SMELL IS SO STRONG THAT CAUSE HEADACHE. THIS IS POISON CARBON MONOXIDE.

MY EXPLORER HAS THE STRONG SMELL OF EXHAUST FUMES THAT COME INTO THE CABIN WHILE YOU ARE DRIVING. IT IS MAKING THE PASSENGERS FEEL SICK AND GETTING HEADACHES. IT IS PRESENTLY AT EARNHARDT FORD BEING LOOKED AT.

ODOR WHICH MAKES ME NAUSEA AND HAVE A HEADACHE

THE VEHICLE WAS TESTED AND FOUND TO HAVE 18 PPM OF CO IN THE INTERIOR WHILE IN OPERATION.

ODORS IN THE OCCUPANT COMPARTMENT UNDER HEAVY THROTTLE SITUATIONS-CLIMBING STEEP GRADES OR ACCELERATING ONTO THE FREEWAY-OR WHEN THE HVAC SYSTEM IS IN RECIRCULATION MODE.

EVERY TIME GAS IS PUSHED AT FULL THROTTLE THERE IS A SMELL OF EEXHAUST IN THE CABIN OF THE CAR , THIS IS A NEW CAR JUST PURCHASED , MY TWO KIDS VOMITED AND DON'T WANNA RIDE IN IT THIS IS NOT A JOKE AT ALL .

FORD EXPLORER SPORT 2017 SMELLS OF EXHAUST GAS IN THE DRIVER CABIN. I BOUGHT THE CAR IN MARCH 5, 2017 AND TOOK IT TO DEALER 3/9/17 TO COMPLAIN ABOUT EXHAUST FUMES SMELL WHEN I DROVE ON THE FREEWAY. THEY TOLD ME THEY TESTED IT AND COULD NOT SMELL ANYTHING. THE PROBLEM HAS CONTINUED AND IT HAPPENS ESPECIALLY WHEN I DRIVE ON THE FREEWAY. IN JUNE A WAS GOING TO DRIVE MY CAR FROM LA TO NEW JERSEY. AFTER THREE DAYS OF DRIVING I HAD TO TURN BACK TO LA BECAUSE I GOT DIZZY AND FELT NAUSEOUS EVERY DAY AFTER DRIVING 6 TO 8 HOURS. I SAW LAST NIGHT ON THE NEWS THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH EXHAUST FUMES AND CARBON MONOXIDE AND THAT MADE ME REALIZE THAT I AM AFFECTED BY THAT. I CALLED FORDS HOTLINE EARLIER TODAY. THEY SAID THAT THERE IS A FIX BUT WHEN I TOOK...

EXHAUST FUMES, AND CARBON MONOXIDE FILLING UP THE INTERIOR OF VEHICLE, SYMPTOMS OF COUGHING VIOLENTLY, EXASPERATION OF ASTHMA SYMPTOMS, LIGHTHEADED,NAUSEA, WHILE DRIVING ON HIGHWAY, WAITING AT A RED LIGHT CAR FILLS UP WITH EXHAUST FUMES. THESE CONDITION HAPPEN EVERYDAY

POSSIBLE CARBON DIOXIDE LEAK. ON A RECENT LONG TRIP I HAD TROUBLE WITH HEADACHES AND LIGHTHEADED. IT BECAME WORSE WHEN THE AIR CONDITIONER WAS ON. I GOT HOME AND WAS VERY SICK, I HAD MY NEIGHBOR DRIVE ME TO THE HOSPITAL. MY BLOOD PRESSURE WAS LOW, RED BLOOD CELLS LOW AND WAS SEVERELY LIGHTHEADED. THAT WAS JULY 19, BUT I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE EXHAUST FUME PROBLEMS UNTIL THE NEWS REPORTED IT ON JULY 28; SO A BLOOD TEST FOR CARBON DIOXIDE POISONING WAS NOT PERFORMED. I THINK THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING OFF AND ON WITH ME DRIVING THIS CAR, BUT IN A MUCH MILDER FORM OF SYMPTOMS. I LOOKED UP THE SYMPTOMS FOR CARBON DIOXIDE POISONING AND I HAD MOST OF THEM. I DO SOMETIMES SMELL ODORS WHEN I TURN ON THE AIR OR VENT. PLEASE CHECK INTO THE PROBLEMS WITH THE EXPLORERS I NEED THIS REPAIRED.

WHILE THE VEHICLE IS IN MOTION, EXHAUST FUMES COME INSIDE VEHICLE WHEN THE AIR CONDITIONER IS TURNED ON. THIS HAPPENS WHEN ON A CITY STREET AND A HIGHWAY. THE FAULT OR PROBLEM THAT IS CREATED FOR UNSAFE CONDITIONS IS THE SMELL OF EXHAUST FUMES. UNKNOWN FOR THE COMPONENT PART OR SYSTEM THAT IS CAUSING THE SAFETY RISK. THIS HAPPENS EVERY TIME THE VEHICLE IS DRIVEN.

AFTER HARD TAKE OFF EXHAUST GETS IN CABEN CAUSING HEADACHES UNLESS YOU ROLL WINDOW DOWN DURING CITY AND HIGHWAY DRIVING

EXHAUST SMELL AND EYES BURNING WHEN ACCELERATION WITH AIR CONDITIONER ON .INSIDE OF VEHICLE TOOK TO FORD DEALER AND THEY SAY THEY DON'T SMELL ANYTHING . THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING SINCE IT WAS BRAND NEW 50 MILES ON VEHICLE

TWICE SINCE PURCHASING MY NEW EXPLORER I HAVE GOTTEN DEATHLY ILL WHILE DRIVING, HAD TO PULL OVER AND BE TAKEN BY AMBULANCE TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. I'M 70 YEARS OLD AND HAD THOUGHT IT WAS A MEDICAL ISSUE. HOWEVER, I HAVE BEEN POKED AND PROBED FOR EVERY POSSIBLE ALIMENT AND ALL HAVE COME BACK NEGATIVE AND AM IN GREAT HEALTH. EVEN MY HEART TESTS WERE OUTSTANDING. I SAW THE EXPLORER STORIES ON THE NEWS, LOOKED UP CARBON MONOXIDE POISONING AND NOTE THOSE WERE THE SYMPTOMS I HAD. IN THE INCIDENT LAST WEEK I WAS FEELING WORSE AND WORSE AS I DROVE AND WAS JUST ABLE TO GET OFF THE ROAD BEFORE I PASSED OUT, MY VISION HAD GONE BLANK, I STARTING SWEATING WITH THE AIR ON, AND I BECAME EXTREMELY DIZZY AND DISORIENTATED. I SPENT TWO DAYS IN THE HOSPITAL THINKING I WAS DYING BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I FELT. I'M...

VEHICLE IN MOTION- CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTOR READING OF 45 PPM (PARTS PER MILLION). PASSENGERS COMPLAINING OF HEADACHES, NAUSEA, LIGHTHEADEDNESS WHICH PROMPTED THE USE OF THE METER.

ENGINE EXHAUST ODOR IN THE CABIN INTERMITTENTLY, GOING UP A HILL OR MERGING ONTO THE FREEWAY AT ABOUT 3500 RPMS, AIR CONDITIONER IS ON AND RECIRCULATION MODE IS ON, SEEMS TO FAIL MORE IN HOTTER WEATHER. THIS 2017 MODEL IS A REPLACEMENT FROM FORD OF OUR 2015 FORD EXPLORER THAT HAD THE SAME PROBLEM!

EXHAUST IN CABIN WHEN INSIDE AIR IS ENGAGED, YOUR OWN EXHAUST! HAPPENS WHEN VEHICLE IS ACCELERATED AND THEN AS YOU LEVEL THE SPEED OUT, THE EXHAUST FILLS THE VEHICLE. THIS CONSISTENTLY HAPPENS ON CITY STREETS, HIGHWAY, TURNING CORNERS, ETC. WE HAVE MONITORED THE CARBON MONOXIDE AND IT REGISTERS ON DETECTOR. THIS IS DEFINITELY A SAFETY ISSUE THE PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE IN EXHAUST SYSTEM WHICH SHOULD BE A CLOSED SYSTEM SO THAT THERE IS NO WAY THE TOXIC SMELL SHOULD COME INSIDE YOUR CAR. OUR FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH THIS PROBLEM WAS WHEN WE INITIALLY BOUGHT A 2015 FORD EXPLORER, SAME PROBLEM. FORD WORKED ON THE 2015 MANY MANY TIMES AND FINALLY SAID THEY WOULD NOT AUTHORIZE ANYMORE WORK ON THE VEHICLE. AT WHICH TIME FORD BOUGHT THE 2015 FORD EXPLORER BACK. AND SOLD US THE 2017 TO TAKE ITS PLACE. WE BEGAN HAVING THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE 2017 FORD...

UPON HEAVY ACCELERATION, TOXIC EMISSIONS SMELLS FILL THE CABIN EVEN WITH THE AC ON RECIRCULATE. THIS IS CAUSING HEADACHES. THIS HAS HAPPENED CONSISTANTLEY SINCE I BOUGHT MY 2017 EXPLORER IN JAN. 2017.

EXHAUST IN THE CABIN OF VEHICLE WHEN USING ACCELERATION HAD IT IN THE 2013 EXPLOYER AND NOW IN THE NEW 2017 EXPLOYER. THE EXHAUST IN VERY SICKIENING IN THE CAB WHEN DRIVING, AND FORD DOES NOT HAVE A SOLUTION. FORD WILL NOT PAY TO HAVE ANYTHING DONE EVEN UNDER WARRANTY. SALESPERSON WON'T ADMIT IT IS A ISSUE. ON NATIONAL NEWS POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVING THE SAME PROBLEMS WHY IS NOTHING GETTING DONE????

EXCESSIVE EXHAUST SULPHUR ODOR IN VEHICLE WHILE STATIONARY OR MOVING, WITH REAR AIR CONDITIONING ON OR OFF

6/29/2017 THIS HAPPENED TO MY 2017 FORD EXPLORER BACK WINDOW YESTERDAY. NOTHING HIT IT WE WEREN'T ON THE FREEWAY. WE WERE AT A LIGHT AT A COMPLETE STAND STILL. THERE'S NO POINT OF IMPACT AND THE GLASS AND IT IS POPPED OUT NOT IN. THE GLASS COMPANY TOLD ME IT WAS CAUSED FROM THE REAR WINDOW DEFROSTER. DEALERSHIP TOLD US THEY WOULD NOT COVER IT AND CLAIMED THAT IT COULD'VE BEEN A PEBBLE THAT HIT IT.

WHEN I ACELLERATE FAST LIKE GETTING ONTO A BUSY HIGHWAY, A BURNT OR COTTON SMELL ENTERS THE PASSENGER COMPARTMENT DESPITE THE A/C RECIRCULATION BEING ENGAGED. SMELL DISSAPATES AFTER A WHILE BUT ALWAYS HAPPENS UNDER THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED CONDITIONS. FORD DEALERSHIP HAS SEEN THE VEHICLE TWICE FOR THIS ISSUE AND IS SEEING IT AGAIN TOMORROW FOR THE SAME THING. FIRST VISIT THEY REPLACED SOME MOULDING AND RESEALED STUFF IN THE REAR END. SECOND VISIT THEY REPLACED THE EXHAUST SYSTEM. NEITHER OF THESE ACTIONS RESOLVED THE ISSUE, I HAVE JUST LEARNED THAT A POLICE OFFICER IN THE US PASSED OUT DRIVING A FORD EXPLORER HAVING THE SAME ISSUES. I HAVE A WIFE AND TWO SMALL CHILDREN AND I FEAR FOR THEIR SAFETY GIVEN THE TOXIC FUMES CONTAINED IN AUTOMOTIVE EXHAUST.

EVERY TIME IT'S PARKED FACING DOWN HILL AND IT RAINS THE SUNROOF/MOONROOF LEAKS. THE WATER COMES OUT OF THE UPPER CONSOLE ONCE YOU START DRIVING.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE 4-2017 EXPLORERS THAT WERE PLACED IN SERVICE BETWEEN JANUARY 11 AND JANUARY 19, 2017. MILEAGES RANGE FROM 700 TO 3000 ON THE 4. AFTER OUR DRIVER REPORTING DIZZINESS, HEADACHES AND NAUSEA, THE FIRST VEHICLE WAS TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE ON FEBRUARY 20, 2017. THIS VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO FORD FOR DIAGNOSIS ON MARCH 6, 2017 WHERE IT SAT UNTIL MAY 17, 2017 AFTER WE CONDUCTED PRELIMINARY AIR QUALITY TEST SHOWING TVOC'S COMING OUT OF THE VENTS WHEN THE AIR WAS IN RECIRCULATION MODE. THIS HAPPENED WHETHER THE VEHICLE WAS IDLING, IN CITY DRIVING AND HIGHWAY DRIVING. THE FORD DEALER COMPLETED ALL OF THEIR DIAGNOSTICS, UPDATED THE HVAC SYSTEM TO THE MOST CURRENT AND STATED THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT TO DO. ON MAY 17TH WE COMPLETED A MORE EXTENSIVE TEST AND SENT THAT TO AN INDEPENDENT LAB. AT THAT TIME ALL FOUR VEHICLES WERE MOVED TO A GARAGE...

WHILE DRIVING EXHAUST FUMES ENTER CABIN WHILE EXCELERATING AND WHEN AIR CONDITIONER IS ON

ROTTEN EGG FUMES FILLING INTERIOR OF VEHICLE. I HAVE OWNED IT FOR LESS THAN A MONTH. I HAVE TAKEN TO DEALERSHIP. THEY HAVE NOT DIAGNOSED THE PROBLEM AS OF YET, BUT IT SEEMS TO FALL IN LINE WITH OTHER FORD EXPLORER ISSUES REGARDING EXHAUST LEAKING INTO CABIN

TRAVELING DOWN INTERSTATE AND SUNROOF EXPLODED, SOUNDED LIKE A SHOT GUN BLAST. GLASS SHATTERED, PANEL WAS PULLED UPWARD AND NO DAMAGE TO THE CURTAIN.

ON JANUARY 27TH, 2017, MY WIFE AND I LEASED A NEW 2017 FORD EXPLORER. EVERY TIME WE OPERATE THE VEHICLE, WE GET EXTREMELY SICK (SOME SYMPTOMS WE EXPERIENCE ARE SORE THROAT, RUNNING NOSE, HEADACHES, AND NAUSEA THAT LAST HOURS AFTER EXITING THE VEHICLE). THIS OCCURS ABOUT 10-15 MINUTES WHILE DRIVING/OPERATING THE VEHICLE. THE HEATING SYSTEM WAS SET TO 75 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT AND THE WINDOWS WERE CLOSED. AFTER WE FELT SICK WE DID SHUT OFF THE HEATING SYSTEM AND OPEN THE WINDOWS BUT THERE WAS A SLIGHT ODOR IN THE CABIN AND WE STILL FEEL SEVERAL ALIMENTS. DOCTOR APPOINTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE FOR MYSELF AND MY 6-MONTH-OLD DAUGHTER THAT WAS IN THE VEHICLE (THIS BEING MY MOST SIGNIFICANT CONCERN). FORD MOTOR CORP INSTALLED A NEW EXHAUST SYSTEM, REMOVED THE REAR BUMPER AND RESEALED ANY LEAKS, CHECKED CABIN PRESSURE AND TRIED TO RESEAL ANY CRACKS THAT MAY ALLOW EXHAUST TO RENTER THE...

DRIVING HOME AFTER BUYING MY BRAND NEW 2017 FORD EXPLORER I STARTED SMELLING CAR EXHAUST. I THOUGHT IT WAS AS COMING FROM THE TRUCK IN FRONT OF ME. IT WASN'T. IT WAS COMING OUT OF THE AIR VENTS IN FRONT OF MY FACE AND I HAD THE AIR ON RECIRCULATE. IT SEAMS TO COME OUT MORE WHEN YOU ARE ACCELERATING OR PASSING CARS. AFTER DRIVING THE CAR FOR TWO WEEKS I HAD TO DRIVE WITH THE WINDOWS DOWN OR I WOULD GET A HEADACHE. IT HAS LESS THAN A 1000 MILES ON IT AND ITS IN THE SHOP. THEY CALLED JUST BEFORE I FOUND THIS WEBSITE AND TOLD ME THAT THEY COULD FIND NOTHING WRONG AND TO COME PICK IT UP. I TOLD THEM THAT I WOULD NOT RETAKE POSSESSION OF THE VEHICLE UNTIL I SPOKE WITH AN ATTORNEY. THEY CALLED ME BACK AND SAID THEY WILL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK...

WHILE THE ENGINE IS STARTED THE ODOR AND AILMENTS ARE MUCH MORE PRESENT BUT THERE IS STILL A PRESENCE OF AN ODOR INSIDE THE CABIN AND AILMENTS STILL IMPACT DRIVER WHEN VEHICLE IS IN THE OFF POSITION. MULTIPLE DRIVERS PRESENTED SIMILAR ALIMENTS SUCH AS SEVERE HEADACHES THAT LASTED SEVERAL HOURS AFTER THE EXPOSURE, RUNNY NOSE, BLOODY NOSE AND LIGHT HEADED/DIZZINESS.VEHICLE HAS BEEN BROUGHT BACK AND FORTH TO FORD AND THEY REPLACED/REPROGRAMMED HVAC SYSTEM, REMOVED REAR BUMPER, REPLACED REAR BODY VENT, AND REAR TRIM. FORD ALSO REPLACED EXHAUST SYSTEM. FORD SERVICE CENTER HAS BEEN WAITING FOR FORD CORPORATE (HOTLINE) TO GET BACK TO THEM WITH OUR NEXT STEPS BECAUSE THE ODOR AND AILMENTS ARE STILL OCCURRING. WE HAVE CONTACTED FORD CORPORATION, FORD SERVICE CENTER AND FORD CREDIT AND NO ONE IS ABLE TO HELP ME OR RECTIFY THIS SITUATION. I AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED FOR MY HEALTH AS WELL AS MY WIFE...

SAME EXACT PROBLEM WITH "ROTTEN EGGS" SMELL / EXHAUST FUMES ENTERING THE CABIN AS FOUND IN THE FORD CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT CONCERNING 2011-2015 FORD EXPLORER MODELS. THE SMELL / EXHAUST FUMES COME THROUGH THE A/C VENTS IN THE FRONT OF THE VEHICLE WHEN THE VEHICLE IS UNDER ANY MODERATE TO HEAVY ACCELERATION. THIS PROBLEM CAN BE DUPLICATED EVERY SINGLE TIME. THE SMELL / EXHAUST FUMES ARE NAUSEATING AND POTENTIALLY TOXIC EXHAUST FUMES. THIS PUBLIC SAFETY HAZARD WILL BE REPORTED TO THE APPROPRIATE AGENCIES INCLUDING BBB, AND ALL GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS. THIS PROBLEM SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED AND CORRECTED BY FORD MOTOR CO. IT LOOKS LIKE FORD HAS NEVER CORRECTED PROBLEM BECAUSE IT STILL EXISTS IN THE 2017 MODELS.

SMELLS LIKE ROTTEN EGGS WHEN I HAVE MY A/C ON AT FREEWAY SPEEDS

PURCHASED THIS VEHICLE AUGUST 2016. SHORTLY THERE AFTER STARTING SUFFERING SEVERE HEADACHES. VISITED MY FAMILY DOCTOR IN NOVEMBER 2017 AND WAS DIAGNOSED WITH MIGRAINE HEADACHES AND PRESCRIBED MEDICATION. WENT BACK TO DOCTOR DECEMBER 2016 BECAUSE MEDICINE WAS NOT HELPING. I WAS HAVING 2 HEADACHES A WEEK SO THEY TRIED A MORE AGGRESSIVE MEDICINE TO NO AVAIL. DOCTOR COULD NOT EXPLAIN WHY! I HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED HEADACHES UNTIL I PURCHASED THIS VEHICLE.

AFTER HARD ACCELERATION THE CABIN FILLS WITH EXHAUST SMELL AND I GET A HEAD ACHE INSTANTLY WHEN YOU ROLL THE WINDOWS DOWN AND IT CLEARS OUT OF THE CABIN. YOUR HEAD ACHE GOES AWAY. THE CAR IS FINE UNTIL YOU ACCELERATE AGAIN.

OUTSIDE VEHICLE EXHAUST ENTERS CAB AREA WHEN ACCELERATING WITH AIR CONDITIONER IS ON

WHEN I DRIVE THE TRUCK LOST POWER AND THE GAS PEDAL DON'T WORK FOR 25 SEC. GO OFF AND ON AGAIN. THIS HAPPENED DRIVING IN THE HIGHWAY AND IN CITY STREETS. THIS HAPPENED IN THREE (3) DIFFERENT TIMES. THE DEALER DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. CAR IS BEEN ON THE DEALER IN THREE(3) DIFFERENT TIMES.

BACK UP CAMERA DOES NOT WORK ON A BRAND NEW CAR.

2017 FORD EXPLORER SPORT-WHEN MY CAR IS IN ACCELERATION THERE'S AN EXHAUST SMELL THAT CONSUMES THE CABIN. THIS HAPPENS EVERY TIME .

FULL ACCESSORY POWER ACTIVE ERROR MESSAGE - RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE WHEN I STARTED THE CAR TO DRIVE OUT MY DRIVEWAY, THE CAR WAS FULLY LOCKED UP HAD TO TURN OFF AND RE-START.

I HAVE A 2017 FORD EXPLORER THAT HAS A EXHAUST LEAK THAT I SMELL WHEN I ENTER THE HIGHWAY. I ALSO SMELL THIS ODOR WHEN I TOW MY WAVE RUNNER. THE ODOR IS SO STRONG THAT MY SON VOMITED WHILE IN THE VEHICLE. I TOOK MY 2017 FORD EXPLORER TO THE DEALER AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE AWARE OF THE PROBLEM BUT CAN NOT FIX IT. THIS IS A BRAND NEW VEHICLE THAT I CANNOT DRIVE AND FORD DOES NOT CARE. WHAT CAN I DO? I GOOGLED THIS ISSUE TO SEE IF ANYONE ELSE IS HAVING THIS ISSUE AND I FOUND THAT THERE IS A LAWSUIT AGAINST FORD FOR THIS SAME ISSUE WITH 2011-2015 FORD EXPLORERS. WHY IS FORD STILL SENDING OUT NEW VEHICLES WITH THIS SAME PROBLEM. PLEASE HELP ME GET MY EXPLORER FIXED OR REPLACED. AGAIN I TRIED TO GET REPAIRED BUT THEY TOLD ME THAT...