2008 HONDA CIVIC Structurebody Problems

Paint defect should extend it to fix the paint issues. Clear coat as well.

The paint is peeling off from the vehicle, exposing the body to rust and reduce the vehicle lifetime and durability significantly. When I contacted Honda about the issue, they told me it is a Paint defect from the manufacturing plant. They asked me to get a quote from the dealer to fix the issue, after getting the quote they denied the request saying it is outside the warranty period even when they agreed it is an issue occurred at the plant level. Please look into this and issue a recall.

Air bags:  passive restraint system items and devices that protect occupants in a crash such as front, side, side curtain air bag light stayed on after taken to a recall devices that may present a safety hazard. Body: Windshield panel flew away ,failure or detachment body and frame components flew away all body pain pilled away with no reason, and other structural components like inside of car sieling cover pilling off like that may present a safety hazard. Steering: devices and systems used to control vehicle direction to the driver's intent such steering rack/box leaking, hydraulic power steering pumps problem like alot noise and hoses leaking that may present a safety hazard.

I JUST BOUGHT A HONDA CIVIC SI MUGEN FIJI BLUE THE CLEAR COAT START FLAKING COMING OUT PAINT STARTS FADING ITS 2008 CAR ITS NOT A 1990 I SEE CARS OLDER THAN MINE WITH BETTER PAINT JOB ITS A CHEAP PAINT JOB HONDA USED IN THE FIRST PLACE THATS NOT FAIR NOW ITS GONNA COST ME 4 TO 5 K AT LEAST

PAINT JOB PEELING

ONCE PAINT WAS RECALLED BUT NOT FOR THE BODY OF CAR THAT IS DOING THE SAME. PAINT IS PEELING ON TOP OF CAR AND ON BOTH DOORS. ALSO SUN VISORS WERE RECAL YET THEY ARE BROKE AGAIN. ALSO CAR HAS 11633 MILES AND I HAVE REPLACED BRAKES 3 TIMES.

MY PROBLEM IS WITH MY ALMOST 11 YEAR OLD CAR. 2008 WITH ONLY 58,000. MILES. I'M A SENIOR WITH LIMITED INCOME,SO I CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE IT PAINTED. LIVING HERE AMONG PEOPLE IN THE VILLAGES THAT HAVE AMPLE FUNDS MAKES ME FEEL LIKE THE ODD PERSON OUT OF PLACE.ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO HELP WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. SINCERELY,[XXX]. NOT IN ACCIDENT INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6). *CC *TR

MY PAINT HAS BEEN FADING FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW. EVERY TIME I BRING MY CAR TO HONDA THEY TELL ME THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT. IT LOOKS TERRIBLE. MY CAR IS STILL IN VERY GOOD CONDITION, BUT THE FADED PAINT ALL OVER THE BODY OF THE CAR IS A COMPLETE EYE SORE. I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS CAR FOR MANY MORE YEARS (EVEN WHEN I PURCHASE A NEW ONE)I SEE MANY MANY HONDA CIVICS FROM 2008 THAT LOOK THE SAME. I WANT TO BUY ANOTHER HONDA IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT BECAUSE OF THIS DEFECT I DON'T THINK I CAN. IT IS EMBARRASSING FOR ME, AND FOR HONDA.

MAP FOR MY CAR, NAVI FOR MY CAR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2008 HONDA CIVIC. THE CONTACT NOTICED PREMATURE RUST NEAR THE AREAS OF THE HOOD, ROOF, DRIVER SIDE DOOR, EXTERIOR REARVIEW MIRRORS, THE FRONT PASSENGER SIDE FENDER BY THE HEADLIGHT, AND ALL ACROSS THE TRUNK. IN ADDITION, THERE WAS EXTENSIVE PAINT PEELING AND CRACKING. THE DEALER (RANDY KUEHL HONDA CARS, 4425 CENTER POINT RD NE, CEDAR RAPIDS, IA 52402, (319) 393-5700) WAS NOTIFIED AND STATED THAT THEY WOULD SEND PICTURES TO THE MANUFACTURER. THE CONTACT HAD NOT HEARD BACK FROM THE DEALER. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 62,000.

TAKATA RECALL- MY HONDA WAS TOTALED AND MY AIRBAGS NEVER DEPLOYED.

2 THINGS: 1) THE PASSENGER SIDE VISOR BROKE FOR NO REASON. IT NOW HANGS IN THE WAY OF MY VISION. IT DOESN'T STAY UP. IT IS A HAZARD. I CAN'T HAVE A PASSENGER SIT THERE BECAUSE IT COMPLETELY OBSTRUCTS THEIR VIEW. 2) THE PAINT IS DAMAGED. SERVER ALL SPOTS ARE "WORN OUT".

THE HOOD WAS REPAINTED DURING A RECALL A YEAR AFTER PURCHASE. LAST YEAR, WE SAW CLOUDY WHITE PATCHES ON THE TRUNK AND THE PAINT/COATING COMING OFF (THE CAR IS BLACK). NOW THERE ARE LARGE WHITE PATCHES ON THE TRUNK, HOOD, AND THERE IS PAINT PEELING UNDER ONE OF THE DOORS. IT IS SPREADING QUICKLY ACROSS EACH AREA.

MY CAR PAINT AND CLEARCOAT STARTED FEELING OFF ON ROOF AND HOOD AND SPREADING ALL OVER BODY PARTS

THE PAINT ON THE ROOF AND THE HOOD OF MY HONDA CIVIC STARTED PEELING OFF LAST WINTER AND IT'S GOTTEN REALLY BAD. I RANDOMLY FOUND OUT ABOUT A PAINT RECALL THAT HONDA HAD A FEW YEARS AGO AND CONTACTED HONDA ABOUT IT. CUSTOMER SERVICE TOLD ME THAT THEY CANNOT ASSIST ME BECAUSE THE RECALL IS CLOSED AS OF 2014 AND THEY CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO FIX THE PROBLEM WITH THE PAINT. I NEVER RECEIVED A RECALL REGARDING THE PROBLEM WITH HONDA'S FAULTY PAINT AT MY OLD OR NEW MAILING ADDRESS.

I MOVED TO CALIFORNIA ALMOST 5 YEARS AGO AND AFTER 2 YEARS THE PAINT ON THE ROOF STARTED TO PEAL AND NOW THERE ARE BIG WHITE PEELING BLOTCHES ON THE ROOF AND ITS STARTING ON THE TRUNK.

AROUND EARLY 2013 I STARTED HAVING ISSUES WITH THE CLEAR COAT CRACKING AND CLOUDING UP ON SEVERAL AREAS OF THE CAR'S BODY. I ALMOST ALWAYS TAKE THE CAR TO THE HONDA DEALERSHIP FOR SERVICE, AND I ASKED THEM ABOUT THIS A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES. THEY SAID I MIGHT BE WASHING THE CAR TOO MUCH AND THAT I SHOULD TRY NOT TO PARK IT IN THE SUN SO MUCH. THIS PROBLEM GOT WORSE AND WORSE OVER THE NEXT 24 MONTHS AND RIGHT NOW THE CAR LOOKS LIKE IT'S 25 YEARS OLD DUE TO HOW BAD THE PAINT LOOKS. I RECENTLY FOUND OUT THROUGH INTERNET RESEARCH THAT HONDA ISSUED A TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN (CAMPAIGN # 14-034, ENTITLED: PAINT CHALKING, CRACKING, CLOUDING WARRANTY EXTENSION) THAT EXTENDED THE WARRANTY FOR THE PAINT. BUT I NEVER GOT ANYTHING IN THE MAIL FROM HONDA, AND THE DEALERSHIP PEOPLE HAD JUST KEPT SAYING THE PAINT PROBLEM WAS...

THE PAINT ON THE HOOD AND TRUNK ARE PEELING OFF.

WHEN THEY DID THE PAINT RECALL HONDA IN HILO DID NOT DO THE WHOLE CAR JUST THE ROOF NOW MY CAR IS CHIPPING CLEAR COAT ALL OVER AND IT IS A BLACK CAR LOOKING HORRIBLY WRONG AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH I COMPLAINED FOR THEM TO FIX IT THEY DID NOT AND AVOIDED ME NOW THERE ANOTHER RECALL I WANT THEM AS A HONDA DEALER TO FIXED ALL OF IT LIKE THEY PROMISED. I DO NOT REQUIRED FOR THEM TO FIX THE WHOLE CAR BUT THEY NEED TO FIX WHEN IT ALL IS IT MIGHT NEED A WHILE PAINT JOB BUT THAT YOUR PROBLEM NOT MINE. AND THEN THEY TRIED TO CHARGE ME 4500.00 TO PAINT THE WHOLE CAR.... PLEASE HELP 8084303541, I PURCHASE THE CAR IN JULY AND IT DID NOTICES IT YET. UNTIL THE CAR WAS SHIPPED FROM SICK HANNA HONDA IN VANCOUVER WA TO HILO HI

THE CLEAR COAT IS COMING OFF MY CAR. IT STARTED DOING THIS IN THE PAST YEAR. IT LOOKS HORRIBLE IT'S JUST ON THE TRUNK AND THE PANELS ON TOP OF THE SIDE WINDOWS. APPARENTLY THERE WAS A RECALL ( 14-034) BUT THIS HAS EXPIRED AND HONDA WILL NO LONGER COVER. I CALLED THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF THE CAR AND THEY SAID THEY NEVER RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM HONDA. MY CAR WOULD QUALIFY FOR THIS RECALL AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY CAUSED BY THEIR FAULTY PRIMER/PAINT MIX. PLEASE HELP.

PAINT IS CRACKING AND PEELING OFF ON BODY OF VEHICLE.

THE PAINT IS CRACKING AND CHIPPING THE OIL BRACKET NUT IS LEAKING AND WEAK (CAN CAUSE FIRE TO BURN FASTER THAN NORMAL) THE AIR BAG ON LEFT IS DEFECTIVE

SHEET METAL BENEATH THE REAR WINDOW SPLIT OPEN THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE GLASS RESULTING IN WATER LEAKING INTO THE CAR.

PAINT ISSUES - THE FRONT HOOD OF THE CAR, FRONT FENDER, AND FRONT SIDE FENDERS HAD TO BE REPAINTED DUE TO FAULTY CLEAR COAT ISSUES. THE ROOF HAS THE SAME ISSUE, BUT IS OUTSIDE OF THE WARRANTY REPAIR WINDOW, EVEN THOUGH THE ISSUE IS WITH THEIR CLEAR COAT AND NOT MY VEHICLE; MY VEHICLE IS WELL MAINTAINED AND WELL CARED FOR INCLUDING WASHING AND POLISHING. PICTURES OF THE ROOF ARE PROVIDED WITH NO FILTER OR ALTERATIONS TO THE PHOTOS; THE TRUNK HAS (KNOCK ON WOOD) YET TO SHOW ANY OF THESE ISSUES, BUT WAS ALSO PART OF THIS SAME FAILURE. I DO NOT HAVE ANY PICTURES OF THE HOOD, FRONT/SIDE FENDERS AS THOSE WERE REPAIRED UNDER WARRANTY.

THE PAINT ON THE ROOF OF THE CAR HAS SEVERAL BASEBALL SIZE WHITE SPOTS THAT LOOK LIKE CLEAR COAT IS COMING OFF.

FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, THE PAINT ON MY CAR'S FRONT FENDERS, HOOD AND ROOF HAS SLOWLY BEGUN TO FADE AND PEEL. I NOW HAVE 1/2 A DOZEN FAIRLY LARGE AREAS ON MY CAR WHERE THE PAINT HAS COMPLETELY FADED AWAY.

PAINT ON MY NAVY BLUE CIVIC IS DETERIORATING ON THE TRUNK, HOOD AND ROOF. ALSO MY PASSENGER SUN VISOR IS BROKE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT MELTED AND CRACKED FOR NO APPARENT REASON. THERE HAVE BEEN MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT PAINT PEELING AND CHIPPING . YOU WOULD THINK THAT HONDA WOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE PROBLEM.

ON DOORS THE CLEAR COAT IS CHIPPING OFF AND CLOUDY. COLOR IS GALAXY GREY METALLIC (NH-701M-4)

I NOTICED PAINT WAS REALLY DETERIORATING ON MY WIFE'S CIVIC ON TOP HOOD AND TRUNK. I STARTED A WEB SEARCH ONLY TO FIND THAT THERE HAS BEEN A KNOWN PROBLEM FOR YEARS. I FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS A HONDA CAMPAIGN TO CORRECT THE ISSUE BUT IT EXPIRED LAST YEAR. I CONTACTED LOCAL DEALERSHIP AND TOLD THERE WAS NOTHING THEY COULD DO. THEY DID TAKE PICTURES TO HOLD FOR RECORD. I ESCALATED TO HONDA AMERICA CUSTOMER SERVICE WHO GAVE ME FILE # 4452996 TO HAVE THE ISSUE REVIEWED. THE CUSTOMER SERVICE WAS HORRIBLE. MANY PHONE CALLS DIRECTLY TO VOICEMAIL WITHOUT RESPONSE FOR DAYS. I WAS TOLD BY RON L. TO GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE THE SERVICE WITH LOCAL DEALERSHIP. I SAID, "DOES THIS MEAN THE PAINT JOB WILL BE COVERED, AND HE SAID EITHER PART OR ALL SHOULD BE COVERED. BEFORE I GET A CHANCE TO SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT, ANOTHER...

CLEAR COAT & PAINT STILL FADING AFTER IT WAS REPAINTED BY CLEOBAY HONDA IN 2014. SIDE AIRBAG WARNING LIGHT IS ON MOST OF THE TIME FOR NO REASON. SUN VISOR'S WHERE REPLACED TWICE LAST IN 2014 AND ARE BROKEN AGAIN. THEY WILL NOT STAY UP OR DOWN.

I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT A COMPLAINT WITH HONDA CORPORATION. THERE WAS A WARRANTY ISSUED FOR 2008 HONDA CIVICS THAT COVERED AN ISSUE WITH PAINT CHALKING, CRACKING, AND CLOUDING. I WAS NEVER NOTIFIED OF THE WARRANTY AND THEY CANNOT CONFIRM WHAT HOME ADDRESS THE WARRANTY NOTIFICATION WAS SENT TO....IF AT ALL.. LACK OF COMMUNICATION FROM HONDA CORPORATION IS A CLEAR GAP IN INTERNAL PROCESSES.

RAN OVER A SHALLOW POT HOLE ON A CITY STREET. THE CAR WAS GOING 10-15 MILES PER HOUR (5 FEET AFTER A COMPLETE STOP AT A STOP SIGN). THE CAR WAS TRAVELING STRAIGHT ACROSS A ONE WAY STOP. THE DRIVER'S SIDE AIR BAG EXPLODED (DID NOT DEPLOY) AND SEAT BELT STOPPED RETRACTING. DAMAGE WAS ALSO NOTED TO THE BASE OF WINDSHIELD ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE.

PAINT OXIDATION ON ROOF, HOOD AND TRUNK OF CAR.

CLEAR COAT STARTING PEELING OFF OF THE ROOF ROUGHLY 6/2015 (ROUGHLY AT 70,000 MILES), TO DATE THE PROBLEM HAS SPREAD TO THE TRUNK AND STARTING ON THE SIDE PANELS. I HAVE REACHED OUT TO MY HONDA DEALERSHIP ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS AND WAS INFORMED THAT MY VIN WAS NOT A PART OF THE HONDA CLEAR COAT RECALL AND THAT I WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL REPAIRS. VEHICLE IS PARKED INDOORS AND HAS NOT BEEN EXPOSED TO ANY HAZARDOUS WEATHER CONDITIONS/ETC THAT WOULD CAUSE THIS PAINT ISSUE.

PAINT IS PEELING AND FLAKING OFF.

BAD PAINT CRACKING CLEAR COAT.

PAINT IS DETERIORATING AND THE METAL WILL SOON BE EXPOSED TO RUST.

HIT A DEER GOING 70 MILES A HOUR STATE HIGHWAY SEAT BELT DID NOT DEPLOY I HAVE A SPINE INJURY ALSO PAINT IS FADING ON ROOF

PAINT IS PEELING ON ROOF. LAST WEEK AS I WAS LOADING A TODDLER INTO THE VEHICLE, HE MANAGED TO GRAB A PIECE OF CHIPPED PAINT AND PUT IT IN MOUTH. I DID SOME RESEARCHED AND DISCOVERED THAT HONDA HAD ISSUES WITH THIS PARTICULAR PAINT. HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY SINCE I MISSED THEIR DEADLINE. I AM GRATEFUL THAT I WAS ABLE TO INTERCEDE AND TAKE THE PIECE OF PAINT OUT OF MY NEPHEW'S MOUTH AND PREVENT HIM FROM GOING TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM BUT COULD YOU IMAGINE THE POTENTIAL RISKS OUT THERE. BASED ON MY RESEARCH IT IS COMMON FOR THIS PAINT TO CHIP ON THE ROOF AND TRUNK, AND I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT HONDA IS SIMPLY LOOKING THE OTHER WAY. I GUESS WE ONLY HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE THE REPERCUSSIONS OF THEIR NEGLIGENCE AND HOPE THAT DRIVERS ARE VIGILANT WHEN LOADING/UNLOADING UNRULY TODDLERS FROM THESE QUESTIONABLE VEHICLES.

THE PAINT HAS BEEN PEELING/ CHIPPING AWAY ON THE ROOF AND TRUNK OF MY CAR AND IT IS ONLY GETTING WORSE.

I NOTICED IN THE SPRING OF 2014 THAT THE PAINT ON THE ROOF OF THE CAR WAS FADING QUICKLY AND SIGNIFICANTLY. THEN, LAST MONTH (MARCH 2015,) I NOTICED THE CLEAR COAT IS CRACKED AND PEELING OFF COMPLETELY ON THE RIGHT REAR BUMPER AND THE TRUNK. THERE HAVE BEEN NO INCIDENTS TO WARRANT THIS TYPE OF DAMAGE, SO I SUSPECT IT'S A FACTORY DEFECT.

MY SON WAS INVOLVED IN A CAR CRASH WITH A LARGE SUV. HE HIT THEM FROM THE REAR. MY HONDA CIVIC WENT UNDER THE BUMPER OF THE LARGE SUV. DUE TO THE IMPACT MY BUMPER TORE OFF, MY HEADLIGHTS BROKE, MY HOOD WAS SMASHED IN AND THE FRONT END OF THE CAR WAS SMASHED IN. WHY WEREN'T THE AIR BAGS DEPLOYED?? THAT IS OUR CONCERN? MY SON COULD HAVE DIED IN THIS CRASH DUE TO FAULTY AIR BAGS. WE HAVE PICTURES OF THE CRASH. OUR MAIN CONCERN IS THE AIR BAGS NOT BEING DEPLOYED. I WOULD LIKE TO NOTIFY HONDA CORP OF THIS INCIDENT. *TR

I HAVE A 2008 HONDA CIVIC EX AND I TAKE REALLY GOOD OF MY CAR, THE PAINT ON TOP IS FADING TO THE METAL, I SEE THIS IS A PROBLEM FOR A LOT OF HONDA CIVIC'S. ALSO I AM HAVING MAJOR ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS, AWHILE AGO MY HORN RANDOMLY STOPPED WORKING AND THEN 5MONTHS LATER STARTED WORKING AGAIN, THEN MY PASSENGER WINDOW WONT ROLL UP OR DOWN HALF THE TIME, THE LIGHTS WHERE MY STEREO IS STOPPED WORKING AND NOW THE BUTTONS ON THE RADIO OR ON MY STEERING WHEEL ARE WORKING, WHEN I TURN MY HEAT/AC UP OR DOWN IT MESSES WITH MY HEADLIGHTS. I HAD ALL THE FUSES CHECKED AND THEY ARE JUST FINE. WONDERING IF ANYONE ELSE IS HAVING ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS AND IF THERE IS A RECALL!!! I LOVE HONDA BUT I AM TO THE POINT WHERE I WANT TO GET A DIFFERENT CAR AND NOT GO WITH...

THE TOP OF MY CAR COMPLETELY LOST PAINT IN TWO LARGE SECTIONS (THE SIZE OF A DESERT PLATE, IT WENT DOWN TO THE BARE METAL BODY OF THE CAR AS OF SUMMER 2014. OCTOBER 2014 I PAID $566. TO PAINT THE ENTIRE TOP OF THE CAR BY A LOCAL, REPUTABLE BODY SHOP. I TAKE VERY GOOD CARE OF MY CAR AND WAX IT REGULARLY. THIS IS THE FIRST HONDA I HAVE OWNED AND NEVER BEFORE HAVE I HAD TO PAINT A CAR DUE TO PAINT TOTALLY WEARING DOWN TO THE "BONES" OF A CAR. *TR

I OWN A 2008 HONDA CIVIC EX AND TAKE EXCELLENT CARE OF THE CAR. SINCE AUGUST THE PAINT HAS BEEN TURNING WHITE ON THE ROOF AND CRACKING ON THE HOOD, TRUNK AND AROUND THE REAR WINDOW. ACCORDING TO HONDA THEY HAVE NO REPORTED ISSUES WITH THIS PROBLEM AND THAT I AM JUST NOT TAKING CARE OF THE VEHICLE AND ITS MY FAULT. LAST AUGUST MY BROTHER-IN-LAW RECEIVED A WARRANTY EXTENSION FOR THE PAINT ON HIS 2005 CIVIC THAT IS A LIGHT SANDY COLOR. MY CIVIC IS DARK RED. WHEN I MENTIONED THIS NOTICE TO HONDA THEY SAID THAT THE ISSUE IS VIN BY VIN BASED AND MY CAR BECAUSE IT IS A "LIGHT" COLOR DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR THIS WARRANTY EXTENSION. I SAID TO THE REP THEN YOU DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE PAIN ON CIVICS. SHE AGAIN SAID NO AND IF THE PAINT IS CRACKING THEN...

2008 HONDA CIVIC, PAINT COLOR GOLD IS FADED ON HOOD, ROOF AND TRUCK. THIS CAR IN NOT OLD ENOUGH TO LOOK LIKE IT IS TEN YEARS OLD! I HAVE WAXED IT TO HELP PREVENT PEELING OF PAINT BUT DOES NOT HELP. THIS YEAR I ALSO HAD TO HAVE MY ENGINE REPLACE BY HONDA (AT THEIR COST) FOR A CRACKED HEAD. VERY DISAPPOINTED IN HONDA. *TR

CLEAR COAT BEGAN CRACKING, HAD IT REDONE BY THE DEALERSHIP. NOW THE PAINT ON THE HOOD IS CHIPPING ABNORMALLY FAST, AND THE RIGHT FRONT FENDER HAD TO BE REDONE (12/15/14) SINCE THE CLEAR COAT WAS FLAKING OFF. I TAKE GREAT CARE OF MY CAR, BUT FIND MYSELF HIGHLY DISCOURAGED TO CONTINUE DOING SO GIVEN THAT I CANNOT AFFORD A NEW CAR AND I'M FIGHTING A LOSING BATTLE WITH BOTH RUST AND CHIPS. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO TOUCH UP 10-15 SPOTS BI-WEEKLY, REGARDLESS OF SIZE. *TR

PAINT ON MY BLACK 2008 HONDA CIVIC IS FADING ON THE ROOF, TRUNK, SIDES AND HOOD. *TR

PAINT ON MY ATOMIC BLUE 2008 HONDA CIVIC IS FADING TO A WHITE COLOR ON THE ROOF. *TR

THE CLEAR COAT IS FLAKING OFF. *TR